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Post by StarWyvern on Sept 15, 2021 14:47:10 GMT
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Post by Locusbelmont on Sept 15, 2021 17:02:02 GMT
Oh neat... show some of the weapons pls, I'll love to see if you make some substantial change in any of them
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Post by fatalbert on Sept 15, 2021 17:59:27 GMT
This has alot of stuff stolen from my hack. I did not give Starwyvern permission to rip these items that I spent considerable time and effort porting/drawing/recreating, I actually told him nicely to not do that too. The only thing he did for them was change their color palette and called it a day. -Comet Whip = Direct rip of my Zhurong Whip animations that I made and my diagonal sprites I drew for it. -Combat Fan = Tessen from my hack. Which is Nunchuks from DoS but the animations were redone for Maria in my hack by me for some reason it is EXACTLY as I timed it? -Holy Crusader = Familiar sword from SOTN that i made animations for my hack, he literally exported it from my hack and imported it to this, same sheet too. -Lance = Same name as in my hack. Originally from OoE (Melio Hasta) with the custom windup and diagonal downward sprites that I drew and the animations that I made and timed for my Richter port. -Rebellion = Vandal Sword from my hack and Victory Sword from Dawn of Dissonance this was ported by Serbagz and he made the diagnol frames for it as well as ported the greatsword trail swings from serios and animated the weapon. -Chain Spear = Spirit Flail from my hack with all the custom sprites and animations done by me. -Rebirth Whip = Agni's Whip from my hack. My spritesheet and animations. -Pain Flail = Spiky Poison Whip from my hack. Stolen animations and sprites i drew for it. -Shock Chain = Lightning Whip from my hack. Stolen animations and diagonal whip animations made by me. I can go in to much more detail if needed: The palettes are just MY palettes which he then edited the colors of, not even custom palettes made from scratch. Most of these items are still rigged for my richter ports swing animations. Most timings for all of these weapons are literally still the same as in my hack as well. This is just what I found in the first 15 minutes. I don't care what people do in private but releasing other peoples work, without permission and without even credit is just wrong.
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Post by StarWyvern on Sept 16, 2021 10:25:46 GMT
This is a lie. A side by side comparison of his hack and mine show that the weapons are not the same. They aren't even the same freaking color! Rom hacking is exactly what was done here, I took something existing and made something new, just like every other rom hacker in the face of history. Now he wants to say it isn't ok to do that. So did KONAMI! Yet, here we are. The Lance wasn't even remotely his to begin with. (clare) gave that to me for the PoBL HACK! He failed to mention the changes in his post. Most of the weapons mentioned don't even have the same frames. They aren't the same as the ones he released. Also none of this stuff is copyrighted, short of CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN! You can't use someone else stuff to make new stuff, and then get mad when someone else does the same thing.
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Post by Serbagz on Sept 16, 2021 10:39:19 GMT
This is a lie. A side by side comparison of his hack and mine show that the weapons are not the same. They aren't even the same freaking color! Rom hacking is exactly what was done here, I took something existing and made something new, just like every other rom hacker in the face of history. Now he wants to say it isn't ok to do that. So did KONAMI! Yet, here we are. The Lance wasn't even remotely his to begin with. (clare) gave that to me for the PoBL HACK! He failed to mention the changes in his post. Most of the weapons mentioned don't even have the same frames. They aren't the same as the ones he released. Also none of this stuff is copyrighted, short of CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN! You can't use someone else stuff to make new stuff, and then get mad when someone else does the same thing. Your seriously claiming his weapons that he made as your own in this post and then not giving him credit while at the same time ADMITING that you took his stuff. THEY ARE LITERALLY THE SAME, we can see it. It doesn't matter if its copyrighted or not. It is simply common courtesy not to take someones stuff if they tell you not to. Insane is that you really sit there justifying it when the proof is literally right in the rom. Everyone can see it and everyone can clearly see you trying to act like YOU MADE THEM? Its not about what you can or can't do. It's about what assets people gave you permission to use and no one said you could take there stuff.
You ASKED HIM FOR PERMISSION TO USE HIS STUFF and when he told you no you made this thread. This is so blatant it is sad. He didnt copy anyones work, T made all this stuff HIMSELF for FREE. You paid for your PoR you own PoR, you don't own the items that T devoted his time and effort making. He made those for his hack, not for your monkey ass to steal and act like it's yours. Pathetic.
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Post by Serbagz on Sept 16, 2021 10:48:42 GMT
This is a lie. A side by side comparison of his hack and mine show that the weapons are not the same. They aren't even the same freaking color! Rom hacking is exactly what was done here, I took something existing and made something new, just like every other rom hacker in the face of history. Now he wants to say it isn't ok to do that. So did KONAMI! Yet, here we are. The Lance wasn't even remotely his to begin with. (clare) gave that to me for the PoBL HACK! He failed to mention the changes in his post. Most of the weapons mentioned don't even have the same frames. They aren't the same as the ones he released. Also none of this stuff is copyrighted, short of CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN! You can't use someone else stuff to make new stuff, and then get mad when someone else does the same thing. People like you make the Castlevania community actual dogshit smh. If the creator of something ever told me not to take his stuff then I wouldn't. Not because I CANT but because I respect the work that these people made for free out of love for the games. You have 0 respect for the work of others. You are the only one in this entire scene that feels entitled to the work of others, the only one that literally steals and claims as his own. The people running the site are your friends, but by posting this you are now testing the integrity of these forums, so I thank you for that. Would love to see how DPA, Iamme, and Drameloch feel about this.
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Post by fatalbert on Sept 16, 2021 11:01:59 GMT
This is a lie. A side by side comparison of his hack and mine show that the weapons are not the same. They aren't even the same freaking color! Rom hacking is exactly what was done here, I took something existing and made something new, just like every other rom hacker in the face of history. Now he wants to say it isn't ok to do that. So did KONAMI! Yet, here we are. The Lance wasn't even remotely his to begin with. (clare) gave that to me for the PoBL HACK! He failed to mention the changes in his post. Most of the weapons mentioned don't even have the same frames. They aren't the same as the ones he released. Also none of this stuff is copyrighted, short of CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN! You can't use someone else stuff to make new stuff, and then get mad when someone else does the same thing. The only thing you did is that you changed their color palette and claimed them to yourself. Few of these stolen assets you just took out few sprites off (Agni's Whip's fireball and Tome of Ice's side ice shards which you just renamed Rebirth Whip and Glacial Script for example) and called it a day. Animations and other custom made sprites on them are still copy pasted from me. The rest of the weapons i listed you stole have only the changed color palette, everything else from sprites to animations are taken from me. I didn't give you permission to take stuff from my hack and yet you still went and did it. And even IF you justify yourself stealing content from others by changing color palette of them what about animations? Those animations where done by me along with the new sprites for them. Also i can clearly see you used my version of the lance with diagonal attack sprites and all on it's sheet on the EXACT same position as on my hack.
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Post by StarWyvern on Sept 16, 2021 11:55:40 GMT
This is a lie. A side by side comparison of his hack and mine show that the weapons are not the same. They aren't even the same freaking color! Rom hacking is exactly what was done here, I took something existing and made something new, just like every other rom hacker in the face of history. Now he wants to say it isn't ok to do that. So did KONAMI! Yet, here we are. The Lance wasn't even remotely his to begin with. (clare) gave that to me for the PoBL HACK! He failed to mention the changes in his post. Most of the weapons mentioned don't even have the same frames. They aren't the same as the ones he released. Also none of this stuff is copyrighted, short of CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN! You can't use someone else stuff to make new stuff, and then get mad when someone else does the same thing. The only thing you did is that you changed their color palette and claimed them to yourself. Few of these stolen assets you just took out few sprites off (Agni's Whip's fireball and Tome of Ice's side ice shards which you just renamed Rebirth Whip and Glacial Script for example) and called it a day. Animations and other custom made sprites on them are still copy pasted from me. The rest of the weapons i listed you stole have only the changed color palette, everything else from sprites to animations are taken from me. I didn't give you permission to take stuff from my hack and yet you still went and did it. And even IF you justify yourself stealing content from others by changing color palette of them what about animations? Those animations where done by me along with the new sprites for them. Also i can clearly see you used my version of the lance with diagonal attack sprites and all on it's sheet on the EXACT same position as on my hack. Look. It wasn't my intention to "steal" anything. You told me I couldn't use your stuff. That doesn't mean I need permission to change it into something else. That is literally called "rom hacking". No matter where the original content came from, it is no longer the same. Did you release a comet colored firey whip? No. You did not. Therefore it is something unseen before. However, I do take your point in that you put hours of work into the animations. I went back and checked them again. The Lance wasn't the weapon I thought I was using, and I will remove it. I literally edit the frames of a lot of these in Paint.net. The Rebirth whip does not shoot fireballs and strangely looks exactly like the whip found in Castlevania - Adventure Rebirth from the Wii. This was actually my intention for it. You all want to be credited for the work you did but then push any work I put into changing it aside as though it were nothing. How pretentious can you be? I didn't do this out of spite against anyone. I did it because I thought it would be cool for players to play. I am not saying it is ok for anyone to use anyone's stuff without their permission. But if someone releases something that looks similar, but not exactly the same, it isn't the same thing as stealing. If a new colored flaming whip is such a problem, I will go back and remove it as well. You guys have literally governmentalized rom hacking in this thread, putting limits on how much work goes into a hack, where the materials come from, what method is used to make it, how much work they put into each item. Seriously, when did this STUPID fight become more important than letting players enjoy the game? We have all pasted stuff over other people's stuff. Maybe not these specifically, but at some point you did. That Lance is literally OOE's version with a few added frames for Diagonal attack. Which I will remove, because it was in the wrong folder when I ported it. It's funny. Serbagz says he doesn't wnat to talk to me any more, and yet has no problem BERATING me in a public thread over something that doesn't even have anything to do with him. Is this rom hacking, or a popularity contest? I never said my stuff was better, just different. If DPA asks me to remove the hack I will. Then I will remove all content that uses your stuff as a base template, whether changed or not. I will put back all original POR Weapons in place of them, and then repost this hack. If you come back again saying anything more shitty about it, you have not right to even rom hack at that point.
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Post by fatalbert on Sept 16, 2021 11:59:19 GMT
The only thing you did is that you changed their color palette and claimed them to yourself. Few of these stolen assets you just took out few sprites off (Agni's Whip's fireball and Tome of Ice's side ice shards which you just renamed Rebirth Whip and Glacial Script for example) and called it a day. Animations and other custom made sprites on them are still copy pasted from me. The rest of the weapons i listed you stole have only the changed color palette, everything else from sprites to animations are taken from me. I didn't give you permission to take stuff from my hack and yet you still went and did it. And even IF you justify yourself stealing content from others by changing color palette of them what about animations? Those animations where done by me along with the new sprites for them. Also i can clearly see you used my version of the lance with diagonal attack sprites and all on it's sheet on the EXACT same position as on my hack. Look. It wasn't my intention to "steal" anything. You told me I couldn't use your stuff. That doesn't mean I need permission to change it into something else. That is literally called "rom hacking". No matter where the original content came from, it is no longer the same. Did you release a comet colored firey whip? No. You did not. Therefore it is something unseen before. However, I do take your point in that you put hours of work into the animations. I went back and checked them again. The Lance wasn't the weapon I thought I was using, and I will remove it. I literally edit the frames of a lot of these in Paint.net. The Rebirth whip does not shoot fireballs and strangely looks exactly like the whip found in Castlevania - Adventure Rebirth from the Wii. This was actually my intention for it. You all want to be credited for the work you did but then push any work I put into changing it aside as though it were nothing. How pretentious can you be? I didn't do this out of spite against anyone. I did it because I thought it would be cool for players to play. I am not saying it is ok for anyone to use anyone's stuff without their permission. But if someone releases something that looks similar, but not exactly the same, it isn't the same thing as stealing. If a new colored flaming whip is such a problem, I will go back and remove it as well. You guys have literally governmentalized rom hacking in this thread, putting limits on how much work goes into a hack, where the materials come from, what method is used to make it, how much work they put into each item. Seriously, when did this STUPID fight become more important than letting players enjoy the game? We have all pasted stuff over other people's stuff. Maybe not these specifically, but at some point you did. That Lance is literally OOE's version with a few added frames for Diagonal attack. Which I will remove, because it was in the wrong folder when I ported it. It's funny. Serbagz says he doesn't wnat to talk to me any more, and yet has no problem BERATING me in a public thread over something that doesn't even have anything to do with him. Is this rom hacking, or a popularity contest? I never said my stuff was better, just different. If DPA asks me to remove the hack I will. Then I will remove all content that uses your stuff as a base template, whether changed or not. I will put back all original POR Weapons in place of them, and then repost this hack. If you come back again saying anything more shitty about it, you have not right to even rom hack at that point. The PROBLEM here is that you took my sprites AND ANIMATIONS for those set weapons from MY HACK. Even though i clearly told you to leave my rom at peace and not tinker around with it.
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Post by Serbagz on Sept 16, 2021 12:12:26 GMT
The only thing you did is that you changed their color palette and claimed them to yourself. Few of these stolen assets you just took out few sprites off (Agni's Whip's fireball and Tome of Ice's side ice shards which you just renamed Rebirth Whip and Glacial Script for example) and called it a day. Animations and other custom made sprites on them are still copy pasted from me. The rest of the weapons i listed you stole have only the changed color palette, everything else from sprites to animations are taken from me. I didn't give you permission to take stuff from my hack and yet you still went and did it. And even IF you justify yourself stealing content from others by changing color palette of them what about animations? Those animations where done by me along with the new sprites for them. Also i can clearly see you used my version of the lance with diagonal attack sprites and all on it's sheet on the EXACT same position as on my hack. Look. It wasn't my intention to "steal" anything. You told me I couldn't use your stuff. That doesn't mean I need permission to change it into something else. That is literally called "rom hacking". No matter where the original content came from, it is no longer the same. Did you release a comet colored firey whip? No. You did not. Therefore it is something unseen before. However, I do take your point in that you put hours of work into the animations. I went back and checked them again. The Lance wasn't the weapon I thought I was using, and I will remove it. I literally edit the frames of a lot of these in Paint.net. The Rebirth whip does not shoot fireballs and strangely looks exactly like the whip found in Castlevania - Adventure Rebirth from the Wii. This was actually my intention for it. You all want to be credited for the work you did but then push any work I put into changing it aside as though it were nothing. How pretentious can you be? I didn't do this out of spite against anyone. I did it because I thought it would be cool for players to play. I am not saying it is ok for anyone to use anyone's stuff without their permission. But if someone releases something that looks similar, but not exactly the same, it isn't the same thing as stealing. If a new colored flaming whip is such a problem, I will go back and remove it as well. You guys have literally governmentalized rom hacking in this thread, putting limits on how much work goes into a hack, where the materials come from, what method is used to make it, how much work they put into each item. Seriously, when did this STUPID fight become more important than letting players enjoy the game? We have all pasted stuff over other people's stuff. Maybe not these specifically, but at some point you did. That Lance is literally OOE's version with a few added frames for Diagonal attack. Which I will remove, because it was in the wrong folder when I ported it. It's funny. Serbagz says he doesn't wnat to talk to me any more, and yet has no problem BERATING me in a public thread over something that doesn't even have anything to do with him. Is this rom hacking, or a popularity contest? I never said my stuff was better, just different. If DPA asks me to remove the hack I will. Then I will remove all content that uses your stuff as a base template, whether changed or not. I will put back all original POR Weapons in place of them, and then repost this hack. If you come back again saying anything more shitty about it, you have not right to even rom hack at that point. Something is actually wrong with you and as 2 of the items in questions were ported by me with some frames made by me it does involve me. Idk why you are unable to see how wrong this is tbh, telling you the truth is not berating you. Dude I dont even care if people use my stuff most times. But the way you went about everything is all dead wrong here. You are feeling all these ways but you literally are doing all this in bad faith, out of spite, and to start drama. Is it so hard to be a normal person and just respect the work of others? smh normal people would just leave it alone if the creator tells them not to use their stuff. Again, You asked him, he said no, you did it anyway, you posted it, then you didnt credit it too. Like...what? lol
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Post by I am Me on Sept 16, 2021 12:15:59 GMT
Ok, it seems to be pretty bad situation, but I would say it is sadly usual case. People taking stuff from mods made by others & there is no way to avoid it. But basic respect is something should be always remembered about. For now I will just lock this, because drama turning into personal insults at this point. Don't wanna decide this on my own, while DPA is absent. But since Albert is against his content being used, and Serbags have proofs, decision probably obvious...
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Post by DarkPrinceAlucard on Sept 16, 2021 16:13:33 GMT
The people running the site are your friends, but by posting this you are now testing the integrity of these forums, so I thank you for that. Well let there be no more question of the integrity of this site at least in my view as the admin, there will NEVER be a place for hacks that without permission uses work from other hacks against the wishes of a fellow hacker. I know first hand how long it takes to make a hack your own with your own unique items and touches and to have it posted as another's work with zero credit so there is no way I would permit that to happen on this forum. Lets be clear here for future reference that anybody and I mean ANYBODY who is caught doing this whether it be staff or even well known members will be held accountable and the hack in question will be removed. This post here will serve as a reference point for future incidents should this happen again, this is just a verbal warning and should Starwyvern want to post this hack without those assets he can but if FatalAlbert or anyone else catches signs of another hackers work being post disciplinary action will be taken. This topic in question will remain closed but the links will be removed and it will instead be moved to the general section for future reference.I have to admit that even after 3 years of having this site up its disheartening to see some still question the integrity of the forums, I have said it here and even on the discord what my intentions where with opening this site and the values and respect I strive for as a fellow hacker that is a part of this community, I'm a family man with a wife, kids, and job outside this and I teach my kids the value of respect and integrity, though this is online I still strive to live by those values.
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